Let's Be Clear About Benghazi
Columnist takes President Obama to task for his comments in Tuesday's debate.
The President is fond of using the phrase “Let me be perfectly clear.” I have learned over the years that this is often a signal that he is about to be anything but perfectly clear.
I wasn’t originally going to address Tuesday night’s debate, but the President told a blatant falsehood when he said he referred to the attacks in Libya as terrorist attacks in his Rose Garden remarks the next day. He did not. He used the word “terror” in reference to the 9-11-2001 attacks. He and his administration blamed a stupid YouTube video for 14 days before finally acknowledging the attacks were a coordinated, preplanned terrorist attack.
Press Secretary Jay Carney 9/14 - “We don’t have and did not have concrete evidence To suggest that this was not in reaction to the film.”
U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice 9/16 - “A spontaneous – not a premeditated –response to what had transpired in Cairo.”
Jay Carney 9/19 - “We have no evidence of a preplanned or premeditated attack.”
President Obama 9/20 - “What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists…”
President Obama, on The View, 9/24 - The attack “…wasn’t just a mob action…” but refused to call it a terrorist attack.
So, this time, let me be perfectly clear. The President and this administration have been dishonest and misleading about the preplanned, coordinated terrorist attacks against the American Consulate in Benghazi from the start and they continue to be today, including in the ridiculous round-robin blame game they are playing with Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and others.
This country has only one Commander-in-Chief and that’s Barack Obama. I believe that in fact he did know our embassy had been targeted in the previous weeks, that there were serious security concerns on the ground in Benghazi and that our Ambassador there was in harm’s way. And if he didn’t, he should have.
It would be nice if we had a President with the courage to do the right thing and the integrity to acknowledge it when he doesn’t.
Hardy Har Har Har
10:24 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Obamas Pinocchio Presidency.
Mike Healey
1:35 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
President Barack Obama Sept. 12 Rose Garden: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.”
John right
9:12 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Another Obama tax payer green company files for bankruptcy and another plays monlopoly all day. Another great day for the middle class. Thanks Mr Hollywood!
JIM
10:06 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
LG Chem....doing the jobs Americans wont do ...''we play monopoly, so you dont have to''.
Mark Trafton
10:38 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Yeah, Jennifer, just like Bush I was with Iran Contra that killed scores of people, or Bush II with the uranium yellowcake and the bogus Niger memo, and with the outing of Valerie Plame. Scooter Libby was your guys´ guy.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones, especially when they don´t even know the facts of the issue at hand.
One Man Wolf Pack
10:43 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Oh, like Obama and that officer from Cambridge Ma with that "racial" incident?
Glass houses to be sure; and Obama gets a pass? Why exactly?
David Pittelli
11:39 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I wasn't aware that either Bush was running for President this year. Thank you for clearing that up.
Mark Trafton
3:29 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Charlie W.
Big difference, The jury has long been back on the lies and obfuscations of Bush-Cheney. Neither you nor I --unless you´ve got special federal security clearance-- knows what actually happened in Benghazi. It was very chaotic by initial reports. Leave it to politicians and not statesmen like Jennnifer Horn to try to score political points so prematurely on the heels of the deaths of honorable servants of our country in the line of duty. Never a shill for Obama, I decry his obfuscation on a lot of issues, such as Fast and Furious, which also led to the deaths of lots of innocent people. That said, there is no doubt in my mind that the likes of Jennifer Horn are hastily seeking to incriminate Obama before all the facts are know because it's good campaign fodder. We weren't born yesterday. And if folks out there abhor obfuscation and avoidance, try asking Willard Romney what tax deductions, loopholes and credits he plans to eliminate.... it cuts both ways, amigos.
One Man Wolf Pack
4:35 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Jennifer is no different than the other side of the isle. In fact I would say that is a Republican administration pulled half of what the Obama administration has the general media would be all over them like white on rice; but now this guy gets a pass. Yup not partisan at all huh?
Ted Sizer
5:13 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Good point. However let's not forget that the Democrats joyfully went along with Bush on that war. Oddly enough, the Constitution gives that authority to the Congress and NOT the President. So if you have a problem with Bush taking us to war, maybe you should direct that anger to the Congress who thwarted their Constitutional power.
Now back to the President who is also willing to LIE to cover is butt.
IF you were bothered by Bush, like I was, you should be really angry at the so called DOVE who bombed Libya . (remember who has that Constitutional authority)
Pointing back to Bush is really getting BORING. I never supported the war in Iraq. I knew that they were using cherry-picked intelligence. (read the foreign press)
However that ship sailed. It's time to deal with TODAY instead of blaming BUSH BUSH BUSH.
It's boring. It's old. Quite frankly I"m embarrassed for those who still try to use that excuse.
Sean O'Keeffe
9:55 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
It's obvious that the administration is attempting a cover up. Very disappoingting that the media is assisting them. Here are the facts;
Deposing Kadafi created a power vacuum. The compound our ambassador was operating out of was not a secure facilty although It could have been secured if the appropriate support personnel had been assigned. The administration must have been aware of thie rising threat in Libya. The Benghazi security issues surely would have been broght up during daily security briefings. Why were the ambassador's pleas for incresed securirty denied? Was it because it did not fit the "Alceida's on the run" narrative? The bottom line; the State Department is responsible for the safely of our foreign diplomats and that department reports daily to the office of the president.
If the White House knew and did nothing, shame on them.
If the White House did not know (as they are claiming) that's even worse.
Michael Shingleton
10:41 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Jennifer: Let's put the Benghazi attack in its proper historical prospective. Even if in the worst case, the Obama administration did not heed warnings of a possible attack that resulted in the tragic deaths of 4 Americans, how does that compare (to the last Republican in office) Bush-Cheney-Rice's disregard of the memo entitled "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States" on August 6, 2001 that resulted in 2,996 deaths, 8,000 injuries and forever increased fear? In other words, are you making a mountain out of the proverbial mole hill?
News Flash
10:45 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Deaths in Afghanistan at 1,500 due to Obama troop surge.
One Man Wolf Pack
10:49 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Bush did not get a free ride on that at all, and the fact that we are still pointing at anything but the presidents own record and actions is pathetic. This is the same behavior that a drug addict uses so they do not have to talk about their own actions, it is called a deflection or diversion so that we do not focus on the problem at hand. You have a president and administration that has lied and covered it up, on more than just this occasion, and your answer is to trivialize the death toll?
Come November you have an opportunity to say that this is not acceptable, from EITHER party; the question is are you too partisan to do it?
David Pittelli
11:43 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
If Bush, rather than Romney, were running against Obama now, this would be a relevant (albeit debatable) point. But if your argument is that one should prefer Obama over Romney despite the Obama Administration's demonstrated incompetence and mendacity, because of what Bush Jr. did, then you are doing Obama no favors.
Sean O'Keeffe
9:19 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
I believe Bin Laden was handed to the US on a silver platter when Clinton was in office. I guess that means Bush inherited the problem.
News Flash
11:49 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Obama's terror policy is real problem
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/17/hillary-takes-responsibility-for-libya-but-obama-terror-policy-is-real-problem/
Kevin S
12:41 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Who exactly is Jennifer Horn and why does anyone care what she has to say?
Atlant Schmidt
1:40 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Jennifer Horn is a washed-up 1) Republican political hack, 2) Telegraph correspondent, and 3) radio commentator but she says things the Right Wing likes to hear so the wing-nuts keep acting as if what she says means anything.
Ted Sizer
5:14 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Well clearly those who have no intelligent reply to her charges pull the boring personal attack as some sort of reply.
YAWN
Atlant Schmidt
7:14 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
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Atlant
7:13 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Ted:
Her "charges" are just the latest fresh-from-Republican-headquarters horsepucky and have already been thoroughly rebutted everywhere except in Republicans' minds; there's no need for me to do it again.
Keith F Thompson
12:48 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I would also like to thank Ms. Horn for illuminating President Obama's leadership on this issue, and the stark contrast with both President GW Bush and Mitt Romney.
You have made it perfectly clear that the President is a true leader. The President identified the attacks in Benghazi as a potential terror attack the next day in his speech in the Rose Garden (Candee Crowley will be glad to provide you with the transcript). He then behaved like the Commander in Chief and took care of his people who were grieving such a terrible loss.
Unlke President Bush or Mitt Romney, he did not attempt to use this tragedy as a political tool, and he didn't take the irresponsible actions Bush or Romney (or indeed, the leaders of the mobs in Egypt, Afghanistan and elsewhere) would, ginning up outrage for short term political gain..
President Obama didn't jump to unsupported conclusions to help his political campaign.
This is in stark contrast to Mitt Romney, who took his clues from right wing hate radio and Fox news, jumping to conclusions, filling in what was not yet known with what they knew would made people afraid and easy to mislead.
Despite what Fox news and right wing hate radio would scream at you on a daily basis, that's what we need from a President- calm resolve, a firm grasp of the facts, and a willingness to wait for the facts before acting, rather than using the death of an American Ambassador and three consulate staffers for short term gain.
Mike black
1:17 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The above screech is from the leader of the Brookline Democrats Society, and a PAID member of the Obama campaign.
Atlant Schmidt
1:41 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Mike:
Keith has told you he is *NOT* a paid staff member of the Obama campaign. Why do you keep repeating this as if it were true?
Are you just trying to keep up with (e.g.) Jennifer, your mentor in pretending lies are the truth?
Mike black
3:35 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
And you have told us you're not a socialist, too. Everything you read on the internet is true, eh ?
Dave Murry
3:43 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
bwaaahahaha... Obama didn't make this political... Okey dokey Keith, if that's what your WH daily brief tells you...
What does Obama have to do before you disagree with him? Some of you far left libs are just tape recorders. I have no problem finding fault with any Republican President, including Reagan. But Obama has absolutely LIED about Benghazi, has handled it very poorly, 4 Americans are dead, and he's more worried about how it looks to his campaign effort. And you just carry his water and parrot the exact same lines you get from MSNBC, or DailyKos, or wherever.
Can he do no wrong? Or are you one of those who thinks Obama hasn't been liberal enough? The bailouts weren't big enough, it wasn't a complete takeover of healthcare (yet), etc.
James Wilson
1:24 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Thank you Ms. Horn for this well composed and very clear article. Your work and your time is appreciated.
Tammy
2:20 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
This should not be a political issue. After an official investigation and report has been completed, then by all means criticize away. There is so much misinformation and speculation surrounding the attacks at this point.
There was a protest in reaction to the film on 9/11 in front of the consulate according to some reports. This article from the WSJ even identifies and quotes one of the protesters.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444023704577651743730353040.html
The protesters were not armed.
The intelligence briefing by General Petraus seemed to also mention the protests although stressing that the attacks may have been preplanned.(according to some who attended the briefing)
RW timelines leave out a lot of info.
Mark Trafton
3:40 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Mike black,
It's easy to repeatedly shout unsubstantiated suppositions in hopes that people will eventually take such utterances for truth. What evidence do you offer about Keith Thompson's occupation? Outlandish claims with no basis in fact are items of faith or superstition that change the minds only of the gullible or the ignorant, or those who already drank the Coolaid. On the other hand propaganda mongers like Rove, Lee Attwater and Goebbels believed that the bigger the lie, the more one can get folks to swallow it....
Dave Murry
3:50 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"Outlandish claims with no basis in fact are items of faith or superstition that change the minds only of the gullible or the ignorant, or those who already drank the Coolaid."
I commend your ability to succinctly describe the Democrat party in one sentence. Well done.
And it may not be in your side's best interest to try and attach Nazi-ism to the right, when there are a lot of shady characters pulling for Obama...
Bull Moose
3:47 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"...the President told a blatant falsehood when he said he referred to the attacks in Libya as terrorist attacks in his Rose Garden remarks the next day. He did not."
That's a lie, Jenny - and you know it. You no doubt were delighted to hear of the murder of our ambassador, seeing it as an opportunity to attack the President. Shame on you. You are not just un-American in your gleeful splashing about in our hero's blood, you are disgustingly anti-American.
Bull Moose
4:11 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya
ForThePeople
3:50 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Obama rose garden transcript:
"Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe," he said. "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
1) That makes this blog post- like most of her others- full of crap and a nonstory.
2) Politicizing diplomats dying makes you a soulless, heartless, terrible person. Looking at you Jennifer.
News Flash
4:11 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Obama yet to confirm ‘terrorist’ act in Libya
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/17/review-obama-hasnt-implicitly-acknowledged-terrori/
There have been terrorists acts during the Obama Administration. He refuses to admit it. Doing so, he politicizes it. To deny it is BS.
Bull Moose
4:13 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Here's the link:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya
He closes with:
"May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America."
ForThePeople
4:37 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Flash doesn't read anything that doesn't come from a predetermined cesspool that feeds Obama hatred. But yes, that transcript explicitly refers to the event as terror ( apparently this makes the world right again?).
Bull Moose
5:37 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Sept 13th, in Nevada:
"As for the ones we lost last night: I want to assure you, we will bring their killers to justice. And we want to send a message all around the world — anybody who would do us harm: No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-las-vegas-nv
Bull Moose
5:40 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
ForThePeople: Flash is so low-information he's sub-information.
JIM
11:23 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
''we will bring their killers to justice '' then obama and his henchmen arrested the American film director
JIM
11:33 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
he opened with this :
While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.
this is obama blaming the attack on the ''senseless violence'' not terrorist attack senseless violence, caused by the video .....no other way to see it
Tia Galvin
4:37 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the fingers start flying back to Bush any time an issue comes up regarding Obama's abismal record that has any truth to it. WHO CARES? Bush is not running for office. He left four years ago. "It's Bush's fault" is so 2009.
In the VP debate, Joe Biden flat out stated that the administration did not know right away that it was a terror attack, and blamed the intelligence committee for not telling them the accurate story for almost two weeks.
In this weeks Presidential debate, Obama would now like us to believe that he knew and called in act of terror the next day.
Candy Crowley and transcript aside (Note to Keith, even Candy admitted the next day that Romney was correct on that point), here's the deal:
Only one of them can be telling the truth. Quite frankly, I don't care which one of them isn't. The bottom, irrefutable line is that someone on the Obama/Biden ticket, by their own words, is a liar. No finger-pointing back to yesteryear is going to change that. Kudos to Ms. Horn for calling it like it is.
ForThePeople
4:39 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Actually, Candy doubled down on the transcript of remarks. The link to the transcript is right above your post. How about telling the truth instead of making this a political point? What about this event makes you want to sing and dance in the blood of all Americans just to push your right-wing agenda? Shame on you.
JIM
11:37 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
FTP...you couldn't Handel the truth
Tia Galvin
12:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
No sir, shame on you. How dare you accuse someone of "singing and dancing in the blood of all Americans" because they were ignorant enough to point out the truth...and the truth is it doesn't matter if Candy Crowley was right or not. Only one of the statements from Mr. Biden and Mr. Obama can be correct. As they contradict each other completely, one of them is lying. And shame on you for assuming that as an outraged American citizen who would dare to expect honesty and accountability from the current administration regarding the murder of American citizens on foreign soil, that I must be using their deaths to push a "right wing agenda". My only agenda, sir, is to find out the truth of the situation, which has been difficult to ascertain given the number of stories the Obama administration has told in regard to this event. The only clear truth that has yet to be had is that the administration obviously hasn't told the truth, which is huge disservice to all Americans of every political persuasion, and especially to the families of those who were killed. And lastly, shame on you for cowardly attacking people online, saying things that I highly doubt you would say to someone's face, without having the courage to post your own name to it.
ForThePeople
1:17 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
I accuse you of just such a thing, Tia, but judging by the posts on this thread you are not alone. Jennifer Horn is with you! You must be so proud. The fact is, the transcript shows that it was called an act of terror by the president right after the event. Any attempts at politicizing this- because honestly the characterization of the attack is really not the sticking point, is it?- makes you a horrible person because you are scoring points off of dead diplomats.
I repeat, you are scoring points off of dead diplomats.
That does indeed make you a bad person.
Bill Brown
2:05 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Forthepeople, it is so sad that you are attempting to attack so many here with name calling and not posting any references to prove your point other than the usual selection of sound bites (as in your reference to "act of terror" which follows a reference to 9/11/2001 and not Benghazi as posted in the original transcript ). Everyone here knows what was said in the speech and that the administration followed that speech by stating over and over that the attack was directly related to a mob in Benghazi which was not true. The issue is really not the phrase "act of terror", but the clear fact that the administration has tried to cover up the well planned attack by Muslim Islamic Terrorists...have you not figured that out yet. The game of name calling from the left no longer provides any value, we just don't bother to pay much attention....you need to work on your noise....we all have great noise filters these days.....have a nice day
Mark Vincent
4:57 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Interesting no one has addressed these quotes:
Press Secretary Jay Carney 9/14 - “We don’t have and did not have concrete evidence To suggest that this was not in reaction to the film.”
U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice 9/16 - “A spontaneous – not a premeditated –response to what had transpired in Cairo.”
Jay Carney 9/19 - “We have no evidence of a preplanned or premeditated attack.”
If President Obama stated clearly on 9/12 that there was a terrorist attack, why was his own Press Secretary still trotting out the line about the video 2 days later? Why was his UN Ambassador still telling that false story 5 days later - on 5 different Sunday shows? And why, if the President had stated clearly in the Rose Garden on 9/12 that this was a terrorist attack, would he not say the same thing on The View 12 days later? Instead of attacking Jennifer (which is a sure sign she is right once again) why don't some of you try addressing these questions.
Tammy
5:15 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Mark-Regardless of whether it was preplanned or spontaneous, it was an act of terror. In the days following the attack, there was conflicting information from the various intelligence agencies and the press. The Administration and others stressed the investigation was ongoing. I do not see how the RW can see any coverup. They are just trying to make a tragedy political before all the facts are in. Shame!
salemvoter
8:30 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Maybe not a coverup. As the Vice President confirmed, the administration did not know about requests for additional security. Further confirming the lack of leadership and preparedeness of this administration. We have been told that this President does not need to attend security briefings because he reads the materials and responds in writing or through aides. Well, whatever his management style is, it has been a failure and is not effective.
Mark Vincent
8:45 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Tammy - when asked point blank whether it was terrorism on The View, the President would not say. Why not? This was 2 weeks later. Intelligence agencies knew it was a pre-planned act of terror the NEXT day. And while Jay Carney and Susan Rice and the President were still carping about that video, the State Dept. clearly stated this was never their explanation for the attack. Why this makes a difference is - if this was a pre-planned terrorist action on the anniversary of 9-11 following repeated requests for additional security from the late Ambassador, which were denied by the Admininstration, then it clearly demonstrates 3 things:
1. Despite Bin Laden assuming room temperature, Al-Qaeda is still very much alive
2. This administration is pitifully unprepared to deal with item 1
3. After this administration's intervention in Libya, the country is a mess and overrun with people hostile to the US. The same can be said for Egypt.
All of this completely wipes out the Obama narrative of "We got Bin Laden, all is well". That is why they were still trying to hide the truth weeks after the terrorist attack and the murder of 4 Americans.
Tammy
9:52 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Mark-in every discussion, by the President and by others, it was stressed an investigation was on-going.
The security question is another issue. I too look forward to the final report, but from what I have read so far there were standard measures in place. Unfortunately, the standard was not good enough. I don't understand why there were no gas masks in the safe room, for example.
JIM
11:41 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
obamas ongoing investigation should be completed by nov 7
News Flash
5:25 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The Libya Lie
It’s not just the blame-the-video narrative. The whole Libyan success story is false.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/330778/libya-lie-victor-davis-hanson
Tammy
5:32 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
You really need to research what the Libyan people think. The majority are pro-US.
Michael Shingleton
5:54 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Here's what we know for sure about Benghazi. "We don't know anything for sure."
Ahmed Abu Khattala, a leader of the Benghazi-based Islamist group Ansar al-Shariah, has been identified as the leader of the attack on the US Embassy. I suggest he doesn't buy any green bananas. Many Libyans love us for helping take out Khaddafi, and honor Obama as the leader of that effort. They (we, the FBI/CIA special forces I bet are all over finding this guy) will be successful in taking him out. If and when that happens will we all cheer together the collective team effort to right a wrong? Huh? Will "WE"?
Michael Shingleton
5:56 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Opps. I forgot to paste the link for the aforementioned info. on Abu Kattala. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/world/africa/libya-singles-out-islamist-as-a-commander-in-benghazi-consulate-attack.html?ref=world&_r=0
ForThePeople
7:53 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Is all the jonesing over calling this attack an "act of terror" really an attempt to paint Obama as something other than against terrorism? I mean, let's forget the fact that the entire viewpoint about Obama not calling it terror is an outright lie as the transcript show and as the moderator pointed out. Forget the fact that Republicans are lying through their teeth and woefully misinformed (this is actually part of being a Republican. Knowledge makes you a Democrat).
Because if that's what it is, if somehow being the first to call it terrorism is some badge of honor, you right-wing crazies are acting like whiny brats again.
Bill Brown
11:46 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Gee, just about every Democrat who has commented has called any republican here a liar and with lots of hate attached to the phrase. Now, if you truly read or listened to the President's words and had any character at all, you would have to say the President when he used the phrase "act of terror" it was concerning the original 9/11/2001 attack. You would also have to say he also blamed the movie trailer for the attack, it is also in the transcript. Which brings me to the next point...lets say he really did label the attack as an "act of terror" within 24 hours of when it happened. Can one of you Democrats please tell me why everyone who spoke about the attack for 14 days after it occurred kept blaming the movie trailer? Ambassador spent all day Sunday calling it FACT that the mob violence to the movie trailer caused the attack. Now if all of the information were released, the media would also know there was drone flying over the attack as it happened.
TO BE CONTINUED.......
ForThePeople
11:51 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Spreading the lies like a good Republican. The transcript references the attack and then says "act of terror." It was not about September 11, and you know it.
Bill Brown
11:46 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
That may come out on paper one day...but the administration knew exactly what happened immediately and at the White House.....But for the extreme left democrat who must defend the lies of the President, even video evidence will not be good enough. Here is one more lie easily confirmed from the debate. When "Fast and Furious" was brought up, the President immediately stated that the program was from the Bush days and Holder shut it down as soon as he realized it was in operation. Another lie, or lost of memory by the President. It is well documented that "Fast and Furious" started October of 2009 do any of you Democrats want to fact check me on that? Who was the President and Attorney General then? Obama and Holder.....I really hope those here who are continually spreading these lies (there is no nice word for a lie) have no children old enough to read this stuff for if they have even an average head on their shoulders, they will realize what their parents are doing, have you no ethics.....
JIM
11:54 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Your right Bill operation ''Wide Receiver" was implemented By Bush and tracking chips were actually installed in every weapon that was sold under that op and as soon as the drug cartels found out the weapons were chipped the op was scraped.
Operation Fast and Furious was holder and obamas brain child and not one weapon ever sold in Fast and Furious was fitted with tracking devices, why? because tracking the guns was not the object of the op, blaming the US for gun trafficking into Mexico was
Nance
2:31 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Thank You Ms. Horn for Clearly stating what most know. Lies to cover up the fact he dropped the ball. Nixon resigned for his lies. Here we have a president that clearly knows the ball was dropped. Unfortunately lives were lost because of this. Tragic, and in my opinion he should be impeached for this. The trust is gone.
judith
7:42 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
You forgot to mention that the Republican congress cut funding for protection of overseas outposts. You're all a bunch of hypocrits.
salemvoter
8:25 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Judith, republicans PROPOSED cuts to the general budget. The PROPOSED budget was NEVER voted on in the Senate or signed into law by President Obama. So, to your point, there was NO cuts in funding for protection of overseas outposts.
Bill Brown
8:30 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Judith it was also disclosed that the State Department holds over 200 million in funding to use as it sees fit which has not been allocated to any project including security.....
Bill Brown
8:46 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Judith here is a story on the subject of funding for security and I was incorrect only on who had what at their disposal, The Department of Defense had $200 million allocated for security in places like Libya and the State Department had 50 million. The combined Pentagon & State Department also sent a request for 10's of millions of dollars for additional security for specifically Libya to Congress on SEPTEMBER 4th, just 7 days prior to the attack. So, one, there was funding already available for security and two, there was a request for millions more just submitted 7 DAYS before the attack. So, how do you expect the combined republicans and democrats to respond to a funding request within 7 days??? Next, why didn't the combined Pentagon & State Department use funds already available to improve security there? Three, it seems there were plenty of people from our administration who knew the extreme security threat in Libya, but did little to fix the problem even though they had the money......we have lost four Americans due to the negligence of our administration and as the President said, the buck stops with him.....http://insidedefense.com/201209132409979/Inside-Defense-General/Public-Articles/dod-state-propose-multimillion-dollar-counterterrorism-aid-for-libya/menu-id-926.html
News Flash
9:24 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Obama Calls The Killing Of 4 Americans in Libya 'Not Optimal'
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/barack-obama/2012/10/18/obama-calls-killing-4-americans-libya-not-optimal#ixzz29kcxpuV1
Donald Eckhardt
9:43 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
I find such fault finding Republican attacks on the President to be repugnant. Don't you remember what we did when 220 US Marines were murdered in Lebanon? We grieved for them. We didn't attack President Reagan even though putting the Marines in harm's way was his idea, and was done over the objection of Secretary of State Weinberger. Thirty years ago, patriotism prevailed over crass partisanship.
One Man Wolf Pack
9:58 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
30 years ago Reagan did not try to mislead the public about what happened; and he responded with force much quicker than the current administration even openly admitted what had happened.
Tammy
10:14 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Charlie-Do you mean by invading Grenada?lol
That issue in Lebanon was very different.
Donald Eckhardt
10:07 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Oops, Casper Weinberger was Secretary of Defense, not of State. Incidentally, after that disaster, we "cut and ran."
Dave Bourque
10:11 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
The facts: On September 12, the day after the attack that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, Obama said in comments in the Rose Garden that he had learned about the attack on the consulate the night before."Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe," he said. "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
Bill Brown
10:27 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Dave you left out what Mr. Obama was speaking about right before the comments you quoted above. They are: " Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.
As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. "
Thus the reference was to 9/11 as many news reports have already stated....so lets me accurate....
JIM
11:02 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Dave and Bill, both of you left out the the reference to the ''video attack theory''
''While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.''
was it senseless violence or work place violence ? obama clearly made this remark in reference to his video violence attack theory that his administration pushed off on Americans for three weeks
He vowed to get those responsible and his administration promptly arrested the American who made the video , his crime , exorcising his first amendment rights........
welcome to Bolshevik obamas amerika comrades
Just the Truth
12:30 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
...and as politicians are quick to say, it's all about context. In Obama's Rose Garden remarks, the reference to the Bengazi attack came at the beginning of the remarks and were immediately followed by the reference to the video. The "acts of terror..." comment came at the end of the remarks and were immediately preceded by the reference to 9-1-2001. Also, not to repeat the litany of the number of times and Administration people that said it was about the video, but Jay Carney is Obama's SPOKESPERSON. That means that he speaks FOR and ON BEHALF OF the President. So, when Carney continued to refuse to say it was an act of terror, the context is clear: for two weeks, Obama refused to call the specific attack on the Bengazi consulate an act of terror.
Tammy
12:44 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Just the Truth-Why is everyone forgetting about the many protests that were occurring across the ME over the video at the time?
Mark Vincent
10:16 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
CIA knew it was terrorist attack within 24 hours. Why is the President telling the public something that the CIA is saying is not true, twelve days after the attacks?
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/330959/cia-we-said-benghazi-was-militant-attack-day-one
Mark Vincent
10:18 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Associated Press: CIA Station Chief in Libya Reported Militant Links One Day After Benghazi. Hillary blames "fog of war". They are in a fog alright.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/330965/cia-station-chief-libya-reported-militant-links-one-day-after-benghazi-charles-c-w-coo
Mark Vincent
10:21 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Candy Crowley: flip-flopper. Asks Axelrod why it took so long for administration to admit the truth. Where was this Candy on debate night? Axelrod statement is false - CIA knew facts 24 hours later. "Splendid" UN Ambassador continues telling false story days later on 5 Sunday shows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vq-MyXs_IA
News Flash
10:40 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Obama to this day is Lying about Benghazi. Everybody know his Foreign Policies are failures.
Mark Alesse
11:58 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Why do the liberals on these posts so often resort to name-calling and personal attacks and almost never employ reason or present factual evidence?
Tammy
12:34 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Right wingers do not seem to understand Reason or Factual Evidence for the most part.
Everything seems to be a conspiracy of some sort to most.
Bill Brown
1:32 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Mark, they name call because for the most part they have no referenceable material to refute the statements of the right....Like Obama, if they call us the same name often enough, they believe, others will be sucked into believing them...that approach now is quite old and is not working any more. The problem is that liberals haven't figured it out yet.
James Mahoney
9:54 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Name calling and personal attacks...sounds vaguely familiar:
"If I meet Mike Healy or David Victory in the street and start slapping them silly for being foolish liberals, would they try reason with me or fight back? Better fight, or I'll hit you till my hand hurts."
Pot meet kettle.
Donald Eckhardt
10:11 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
James Mahoney: I wouldn't try to reason with you and I wouldn't fight back. I would escape and call the police. You would be jailed for battery.
Oedipus
9:35 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Mark Alesse wrote
11:58 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
"Why do the liberals on these posts so often resort to name-calling and personal attacks and almost never employ reason or present factual evidence?"
Mark Alesse wrote at 10:46 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
"For the People…what planet are you from? Moron."
Why is Mark Alesse such a self righteous hypocrite?
Donald Eckhardt
12:04 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Jim: Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the producer of “Innocence of Muslims,” was convicted in 2010 of bank fraud by a federal court. Because his criminal modus operandi had been to use multiple aliases, one of the terms of his parole agreement was that he was not to use, for any purpose or in any manner, any name other than his true legal name without the prior written approval of his probation officer. While producing “Innocence of Muslims,” Nakoula used multiple false aliases in communications and in dealings with the film’s cast and crew. Done without the approval of his probation officer, that was a clear violation of his parole agreement, and that is why he was arrested. Nakoula was not arrested for producing the film. Nakoula lied to the film’s cast about the purport of the film, possibly jeopardizing their lives, but he was not arrested for that. Of course, the publicity over the film led to his exposure as a parole violator. So he is not only a crook, he is a stupid crook.
JIM
2:18 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Donald the publicity for all to see was the arrest of the man who made the film the rest was back washed, if he is found guilty of a parole violation then put him back in prison to finish out his sentence ,but that doesent change the administrations continued talking point that this was why the muslim terrorists attacked the embassy, they even made a commercial that ran on arab TV apologizing for the video and claiming the US govt wasent involved in its production ...I wonder what that cost us
Donald Eckhardt
2:39 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
JIM: I didn't know about the commercial. Did you see it? Rather than just explaining the importance of free speech in the US, did we actually apologize for Nakoula's exercise of that Constitutional right?
JIM
3:07 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
No Donald, I didn't see the commercial , I understand it played in some of the arab states that were experiencing riots, and the only thing I read was that the US govt said in the advertisement that they had no knowledge of the videos making, they were sorry it was made and that muslims were offended and they (US govt) were not involved in its production in any way.
News Flash
12:10 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Terrorism-Fort Hood where dozens of people were killed or injured on Obamas watch.
Terrorism-New York Times Square thwarted attempt to bomb Federal Reserve on Obamas watch.
Terrorism-Benghazi US Ambassador killed along with 3 Americans on Obamas watch.
Al-Qaeda is growing the Obama Administration is Lying (again)
Foreign Policy of Apology is a failure
Foreign Policy re Muslim Brotherhood is a Failure.
Donald Eckhardt
12:53 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
“Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" was the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on August 6, 2001. The brief warned of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda 36 days before the September 11, 2001 attacks. The warning was ignored, and nearly 3,000 people died. Maybe you can contrive a way to blame that on Barack Obama who was in the Illinois Senate at that time.
salemvoter
1:04 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
George W Bush is no longer President. Barrack Obama was elected president after campaigning on "Hope and Change" and promising not to repeat the errors of past presidents.
Now that you have perfect 20/20 hindsight. What exactly would you have done, if you were president, and recieved a warning about Osama Bin Laden and al-Queda? Send an assasin to kill him? Arrests him in a foreign country? Invade Afghanastan? Increase security at the airports? Remember now, the terrorists boarded planes with perfectly legal box cutters. Put a US air marshall on EVERY flight? Tell us. rememebr, you now have perfect 20/20 hindsight. Yet, you probably one of the people who criticised President Bush for acting on intelligence regarding WMD in Iraq.
Donald Eckhardt
1:18 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
salemvoter: That's just the point. If it is 20/20 hindsight to blame the 9/11 attack on President Bush, then it is also 20/20 hindsight to blame the Fort Sill massacre on President Obama as News Flash does.
ForThePeople
1:20 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
And George Bush got reelected after that yellowcake lie. You are as bad as everyone else scoring points off of dead Americans, Salem. Your partisanship is so bad that you need to exploit dead diplomats. What does that say about you?
If nothing else, it says you vote Republican.
Bill Brown
2:10 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Salemvoter, did you know that navy seals had Osama Bin Laden in the cites of their weapons in Afghanastan and called then President Bill Clintion and asked for permission to pull the trigger and President Clinton said no......this happened a few years after the 1993 World Trade Center attack...That Democrat President could have taken the world terrorist leader out and he did not.....too darn bad.....
ForThePeople
2:22 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Please provide references Bill. This is what makes you and your right wing groupies so repugnant. You politicize and make partisan things upon which everybody agrees, such as what constitutes terror or eliminating terrorists. This is something both parties agree on, but in your world, you would rather score points to make pretend that somehow Democrats are pro-terrorism or something.
Which we all know is false. You know it's false. You are outright lying and are being called on it. You are also being scolded for what you are doing, which is exploiting dead Americans for political points.
salemvoter
2:54 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Donald, you post specifically mentions that Bush did not act on intelligence about Bin Laden before 9/11. Your post did not say anything about Fort Hood. The original poster mentioned Fort Hood, you did not and I was responding to your post.
Bill Brown
2:58 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
forthepeople: Here is the video of the CIA agent who was in charge of the opportunity as he spoke to people on 60 minutes......don't you dare challenge me on facts....I don't lie......here is the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/hank-crumpton-cia-clinton-bin-laden_n_1514895.html
salemvoter
3:06 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
For the People, your reference to scoring points off dead Americans is irrational. What you don't want to accept is this President and administration have demonstrated lack of leadership and preparedeness and then tried to redefine the narrative about this tragic event to cover their malfeasance. You may say they didn't have all the information and were waiting for a report, yet, they were quick to emphasize a you tube movie as the reason for the unrest, and to define the events in Libya as unrest due to the movie on the Sunday morning talk shows, statements by the press secretary and speech at the UN. They even funded a 78,000 dollar video to the Arab world to apologize about the movie.
So, suck it up, and deal with the weakness that this administration has consistently demonstrated i.e. a total lack of leadership and failed policies. When their policies don't work then they blame everyone else, like a spoiled rotten 6 year old.
Tammy
3:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Please read.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4635
Perhaps the media is to blame or should be credited for the confusing narrative and different accounts by intelligence agencies.
ForThePeople
3:30 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Even in the face of a transcript, you right-wing folks just go off on whatever Fox tells you to. And for what? You don't care at all about the diplomat and service personnel who died. You just want to make a point for your candidate. How soulless do you have to be to go around spreading lies, jumping on blogs and ranting and raving about things that are not even factual… How soulless? What does that say about you as a person? There are so many other topics that you can play with to push your candidate besides using dead Americans.
Grow up.
Bill Brown
4:32 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
forthepeople, there are some in the world who are hopeless souls,you must be one...You ask for links and facts and they are given and you choose to ignore what is provided....we all feel bad and grieve in our own way for the Ambassador and aids....President Obama went back to bed the night of the raid, then was off to a fund raiser the next day, exactly where is the reverence.....and why was there an effort to cover up the real cause of the attack??? We clearly still are under attack by Muslim Islamic Terrorist and the President would like to make us believe it is under control....just not so....
ForThePeople
4:47 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
There's no cover up. Turn off Rush Limbaugh. If you don't want to read the transcript, that's on you. The transcript from a day after the attack, I might add.
You don't ever refer to it because it doesn't sell your candidate (this goes back to you being a bad person, stomping on dead Americans for political points). You can lie all you want to, but prepare to be fact checked just like your candidate was at the debate. The right wing has it wrong, and that's why it was roundly defeated at the debate.
News Flash
12:38 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
US Ambassador killed is "Not Optimal" for Obamas campaign. Terrorism is Terrorism committed by Terrorists. Common sense voters know this why don't democrats nor Obama.
Mike Healey
1:35 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
President Barack Obama Sept. 12 Rose Garden: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.”
JIM
2:20 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
obama sept 12 Rose Garden : ''While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.''
Mike Healey
1:58 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
President Barack Obama Sept. 12 Rose Garden- “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.”
Press Secretary Jay Carney 9/14 -"What I’m telling you is this is under investigation"
U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice 9/16 - "some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in -- in the wake of the revolution in Libya are -- are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there. We'll wait to see exactly what the investigation finally confirms, but that's the best information we have at present."
President Obama 9/20 - "“What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests. "
Press Secretary Jay Carney 9/20- "it was “self-evident” that the September 11 attack on the U.S. facility in Benghazi was a “terrorist attack.”"
So, this time, let me be perfectly clear. Jennifer Horn is a hack.
Bill Brown
2:25 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Mike, you are very good at using sound bites for your purpose of calling Jennifer Horn a hack, but the whole world here and just about anywhere else knows you are the hack, the left has lost its ability to call people names by using their favorite sound bites....If you were up with your information, you would know that the CIA Station chief and State Department personnel have made it clear the attack at Benghazi was a well planned terrorist attack and had nothing to do with any movie trailer or local mob activity. They knew this within the first 24 hours of this attack - they placed that information in the hands of the White House within that time period......There is absolutely no way the President can defend the lie that this attack had anything to do with the video. If you continue to defend the president, you too are clearly lying. If you have kids, what kind of example are you giving them??? What are you friends thinking about you....did your parents ever explain to you how bad it is for you to lie???
JIM
2:43 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Bill ,it useless healey would defend obama to your death, not his . He has drank long and hard from the jug of kool aid and saint obama can do no wrong in his eyes.
Ernest
5:47 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
C'mon Mike, give it up. Even Obama's henchmen are fessing up as to what was said. And everyone in the administration blamed it on the year old video for over a week.
News Flash
2:28 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Hillary cant stand Whiners. Lots of democrat whining today.
News Flash
3:45 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
O’Bama threw Hillary under the bus over Benghazi; Bill is now starting the shiv into the ribs
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2012/10/obam-threw-hillary-under-the-bus-over-benghazi-bill-is-now-starting-the-shiv-into-the-ribs
Bob Samson
4:04 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
King Barack having trouble with his foreign policy is he. What a surprise about that.
News Flash
4:57 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Bob Beckel: ‘It is over’ for Obama if poll is true
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82606.html#ixzz29mT7CdK6
Mark Alesse
5:19 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
If a partisan like Beckel says it may be over…look out!
His ever so modest defection may be one of more to come from the Clinton machine, now that Bill has signaled his displeasure with Obama. It is no skin off his nose if Obama loses, he hates him anyway, and Hillary has to wait four years before she can run whether Obama is in the White House or Romney, so why not undercut the Obama machine now and keep it from being a force to be reckoned with in 2016?
Bill is a weasel, no question about it, but he is only interested in Hillary getting him back in the White House…period, end of story.
Ernest
5:50 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Romney will ream out Obama on his foreign policy failures in Monday's debate.
News Flash
6:41 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Documents show Stevens worried about Libya security threats, Al Qaeda before consulate attack
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/19/documents-show-stevens-worried-about-libya-security-threats-al-qaeda-before/#ixzz29poOOheA
Oedipus
9:21 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Can you blame Mr Stevens for being worried after Republicans cut funding for Embassy security by $500,000,000?
salemvoter
9:26 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Oedipus, please tell us what budget that the Democrat led Senate and democrat President passed into law that cut embassy spending by 500 million.
News Flash
7:07 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Victims Want Fort Hood Shooting Deemed Terror Act
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/fort-hood/2012/10/19/victims-want-fort-hood-shooting-deemed-terror-act#ixzz29puy0dN7
Ernest
9:23 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Terror? Involving a Muslim perpetrator??? No, No, No. God Obama said that was an incident of "workplace violence". Now fall in line, take a big swig of the Kool-Aid and repeat after me........"The Fort Hood shooting was simply workplace violence carried out by a peace-loving Muslim who, in an isolated incident, became confused." See, it had nothing to do with terror. (Now, wouldn't I make a good liberal?)
Oedipus
8:42 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Liberals have no spine. You'll never find a liberal who cuts half a billion from the State Dept's Embassy budget and then has the nerve to complain that Embassy security is underfunded and blames the President for lack of security at the consulate. Ya gotta love Conservatives and their chutzpah.
JIM
9:04 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
wrong ,liberals have no brains , you cant keep pushing the underfunded security theory when it has been debunked for weeks now. The state dept told the committee that funding had nothing to do with the Libya embassy security problems , but keep trying, perhaps the ofa bedazzle team will email you parrobots a new line for the upcoming week.
salemvoter
9:28 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Oedipus, what budget cut security spending by 500 million at the Embassies. Did President Obama sign a budget into law that we are unaware of?
Oedipus
2:05 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Exactly Jim, libs have no brains and no spine. If they did they wouldn't allow conservatives to run roughshod over them time and time again. They would man up. If Romney wins and the Dems keep the Senate they would refuse to bring any Repub/Romney bills to the floor, if the Repubs take back the Senate they would filibuster every last bill in the Senate that has anything to do with Romney's agenda. That way they could say "Romney's a failure". As far as I'm concerned I'm gonna give Mitt twice as much time as the radicals on the right gave President Obama so if, by Feb 1st, there aren't 5 million new jobs, unemployment isn't below 5%, Iran isn't denucularized, the budget isn't balanced, the debt isn't gone, the USA isn't 100% energy independent, all illegal immigrants aren't gone, etc etc etc, Romney will be a complete failure. But I think you already know he's a failure.
salemvoter
6:20 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Oedipus, you disapoint me. Tell us, what budget cut funding for embassy security by 500 million?
Oedipus
5:39 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
SV, you mean you don't keep up with the news? Yeah, the radical Repubs slashed almost $500,000,000 from the State Dept's Embassy funding requests. House Republicans cut the Obama administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in 2011, and $331 million this year. It takes “a big set of onions” and a lot of cynicism to cut funding for diplomatic security—and then exploit a tragedy to score points in the midst of a presidential campaign.
JIM
8:56 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
obama missed his calling , he should have been a stand up comic , his ability to deliver one line zingers is all he has left, no substance , no plan , just one liners to denigrate President Romney and VP Paul Ryan. Lies on top of lies are stating to catch up with the white house weasel and even his beloved state run media are turning against him.
Ernest
9:17 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
When confronted with the truth, The democrat's response is always "That's a lie". They can't defend Obama's actions, or lack thereof, so out come the name-calling and the "blame Bush" rhetoric. It's really sad to see such gullible, ignorant people planning to vote next month. No wonder this country elects some of the most unqualified, disgusting, deceptive clowns to office.
JIM
10:14 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
THIS JUST IN !!!!..ofa ,new word of the week , ''Romnesia'', coming to a talk show near you !! you'll be able to hear it all next week ...on, the view ,letterman and the daily show .Parrobots should check their ofa emails immediately to get the talking point memo on its correct pronunciation and how to use it correctly to take the heat off the Libya security failure by the obama administration.
Tammy
10:42 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Official DNI report on initial and evolving intelligence.
http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Newsroom/Press%20Releases/ODNI_Benghazi_Statement_9.28.2012.pdf
News Flash
10:54 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Terrorists have attacked us on American Soil (Fort Hood) and more recently Times Square. What occurred in Libya, KILLING an American Ambassador was TERRORISM.
Leading from behind has accomplished nothing and is a FAILURE by President Obama.
Sean O'Keeffe
11:10 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
News Flash
If you don't mind me adding to your statement a bit, the four Americans killed in Benghazi were considered "on American soil".
Oedipus
9:55 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Terrorists have attacked America in Oklahoma City also, they have also attacked and killed Americans at untold numbers of women's reproductive health care clinics around the country. Terrorists also attacked American at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta and at discos there. Terrorists have also destroyed and vandalized places of worship and have murdered Americans solely due to the color of their skin. All these terrorist acts were committed by American terrorists on Americans.
Muslim terrorists also attacked US Marines in 1983 in Beirut and St Ronald of Reagan tucked his tail between his legs and ran back home which is what has emboldened foreign terrorists to test our mettle, let's place the blame for the mess we are in where it belongs, on the foreign policy and security failures of St Ronald and Little George. BTW Being you're such a Patriot NF I'll bet Beirut was an attack you have probably forgotten about until I just mentioned it.
Anyway what's your point? If you have one.
News Flash
11:18 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
'My son is NOT very optimal... he is very dead': Mother of U.S. diplomat killed in Libya attack slams
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220241/Barack-Obama-Benghazi-attack-Mother-diplomat-criticises-Presidents-optimal-comment.html
News Flash
2:38 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Obama Lied, And The Press Complied
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2012/10/18/benghazi-four-americans-died-obama-lied-and-the-press-complied/
Tammy
3:34 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
News Flash-Now that the intelligence agencies have come forward, the "Obama lied" narrative has been squashed. Even Faux is backtracking.
Donald Eckhardt
4:09 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
The right wingnuts responding to this column invariably demonstrate bad manners, poor spelling, abysmal grammar, inept punctuation, and - except for invectives - woefully jejune vocabularies. So, why in the world should I pay any attention to their godawful diatribes?
salemvoter
6:18 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Jejune, wonderful word. Heven't used that in a sentence since 7th grade.
ForThePeople
11:06 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
In seventh grade, I'm sure your parents were already fomenting the rage inside to become the Republican you are, Salem.
salemvoter
9:35 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
FTP, so little you know about my values or my upbringing. There is no rage, no hatred, just my observations. At least I passed the 7th grade and many subsequent grades after that and was not simply pushed along like you have demonstrated in your various diatribes.
Why do a majority of posters on this site from the left always respond with vitriol. You back yourselves into undefensable positions and then scream out liar to anyone who offers a rational retort.
ForThePeople
12:15 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Why do you ignore facts, distort facts, can't admit when you are completely wrong (remember the "you didn't build that" you tried to lie about?), and outright lie?
Because that's what Republicans do. You have to be an angry person who hates other people in order to be a Republican. You have to be a bigot to be a Republican. That's the only way you can take away rights from average Americans, and if that means serving the wealthy well that's just payment, isn't it?
salemvoter
9:00 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
FTP, what rights are the Republicans taking away from the average American. Please be specific and construct your argument to describe why it is a right and how the Republicans are taking it away.
Regarding "If you have a business....you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen". I think I have been very clear on this issue. I believe, and still believe, the context of what the President said was that people are not smarter or more successeful because they work harder, and that their success is dependent upon other people. You belive otherwise...did I call you a liar?
ForThePeople
10:48 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Salem, you said at the time that Obama meant you didn't build your business. And then you admitted later that it was out of context and a soundbite, and that what he actually said was that you didn't build the infrastructure of the country which allowed your business to thrive (roads, bridges, digital infrastructure, etc.). This is only after your failed attempt at correlating those comments with what Fox news told you to. You lied, you got caught.
And as far as taking rights away, how about gay rights? How about abortion rights? How about birth control? How about affirmative action? How about healthcare? How about immigration reform? These are all things Republicans stir people up into a frenzy on, shouting about Jesus this and God that, oh praise Jesus and vote for me because I will be sure to punish all who care for the poor. Isn't that right? The great missing link of the Christian right nowadays is actually caring for other people. It's a travesty, and it plagues your political party. If it's anything I can't stand, it's a political platform that uses the Bible to push their agenda.
And you know what it really is? It's just rich men funneling more money to the 1% by convincing low information voters that they should be angry and scared. They throw you a social conservative bone in fair trade for kickbacks to the wealthy. And you will find that selling out your fellow Americans will be selling out yourself, too.
News Flash
6:31 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Obama’s bluster and non-response on the Libya question will come back to haunt him
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/330893/great-gaffe-hofstra-charles-krauthammer
Tammy
6:41 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
News Flash-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html
Sean O'Keeffe
7:35 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Tammy,
The "what they knew and when they knew it" in regards to the Benghazi attack is not nearly as disconcerting as the administration ignoring the fact that the lives of the Ambassador and three other American were in eminent danger. No one would have had a better sense of the danger better than Ambassador Stevens. And yet his requests and pleas for increased security went ignored. This never should have happened.
News Flash
7:31 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
When you lead from behind, you step in a lot of manure
News Flash
9:47 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
What is Obamas Agenda the next 4 years?
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/262929-obama-under-pressure-to-spell-out-his-agenda-for-a-second-term
News Flash
10:55 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Obama's Feckless Foreign Policy.
News Flash
7:14 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Obama’s ‘Disastrous’ Foreign Policy Can Tip Election for Romne
Read more on Newsmax.com: Obama’s ‘Disastrous’ Foreign Policy Can Tip Election for Romney
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
Jack Wana
7:43 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Whats up with all the illegal foreign money Obama has been getting?
JIM
8:07 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Jack, nobody wants to see the traitor reelected more than our enemies, he did the same in 2008 and got away with it , nobody liked being called a racist, so he figured he got away with it in 2008,he should be able to get away with it in 2012. Look for him to cut a deal with iran just in time for the elections, iran wants him reelected more than anyone ,they know he will never oppose them militarily and will never help Israel stop iran ,plus he promised the Russians he would throw America and our defence system under the bus if he was reelected, so I'm sure they are contributing to his reelection too
Oedipus
11:09 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I don't know how you did it JIM but you found out the truth about Barack the Magic Negro. You're right, he is a foreign born muslim as well as a Marxist, fascist, socialist, nazi, commie, Leninist, liberal America hater. In fact he is also the de facto leader of al Qaeda, was the mastermind behind 911 and is bent on enslaving Americans and destroying the world!!!!!! I don't know how you found out but if I were you, news flash, Jack, salemvoter, dumpobama or okeeffe I would be watching my back locking my doors and carrying a gun and a knife at all times because Obama knows who his enemies are and he usually gets to them. Stay safe my friend, I'll be praying to the flying spaghetti monster in the sky for your salvation from the evil ways of Obama.
JIM
11:46 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
opie , how did you find out he was foreign born ? his fake computer generated BC says he was born in Hawaii and we are still waiting to see the micro film to put that issue to rest,but I suppose we will have to wait till the trial to see it.
As for everything else your right on the mark, but the best way to sum up obama is your last statement ,American hater.
Spaghetti monster ...thats funny , just say the obama prayer instead.
the obama prayer as told by the MARXISTS to the MASSES
THE OBAMA PRAYER
FOOL.... Thou shalt not denigrate the Anointed one , make no joke or in any way disagree with he who is your Savior, ye shall know thee Almighty's name by watching TV and the Golf channel and seeing his likeness everywhere, he who hath no Birth Certificate because of his Immaculate Deception, shall be looked upon as your Lord and Savior, maker of the laws and regulations, He who shall be the taker from one and the giver to another, ye shall look to no other as your Lord, for he is all knowing and not forgiving, tread lightly in his presence or ye shall find yourself burning in the hell fires with the rest of ye Racist brethren..now go forth, and make ye self prosperous, so that he may taketh your profits and giveth them to those who shall not getth off their ass's and do so for themselves...
News Flash
11:01 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
U.S. Drone Watched Libya Attack Unfold But Washington Did Nothing
Washington DID NOTHING
http://nation.foxnews.com/us-drone-over-benghazi-attack/2012/10/21/us-drone-watched-libya-attack-unfold-washington-did-nothing
News Flash
2:13 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Obama "Not Optimal Video"
http://nation.foxnews.com/anti-obama-ad/2012/10/21/watch-american-future-fund-ad-nails-obama-not-optimal-comment
News Flash
7:32 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Chavez, Castro and Putin endorse Obama.
http://times247.com/articles/obama-receives-endorsements-from-three-dictators
Oedipus
10:25 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Not only Chavez, Castro and Putin but Lenin, Marx, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Moammar Qaddafi, Stalin, Ivan the Terrible, Rasputin and Jimmy Carter. Sounds like a winning formula to me!
The only endorsement Mr Romney has is from his magic Mormon underwear and God on planet Kolob. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob
JIM
10:18 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
IF OBAMA KILLED BIN LADIN HE ALSO KILLED THE 4 AMERICANS IN LIBYA
Oedipus
10:27 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Using your pretzel logic JIM, Mr Bush killed 3000 people in Manhattan on 911.
News Flash
2:41 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Benghazi fiasco is a brutally illuminating portrait of the Obama White House in crisis mode.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443684104578067041987322754.html
Bill Brown
4:43 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Lets see what folks think of this video blog from New Zealand....http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/10/an-urgent-message-for-america-please-help-this-go-viral/
News Flash
5:05 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Our people fought for 7 hours while White House watched
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331125/first-aid-living-bing-west
Oedipus
5:33 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
C'mon NF, you could give a fuzzy rat's a## about the people that died in Benghazi. Just like the phony Republican "patriots" you are just another extremist right wing cretin trying to score a few cheap political points off of someone else's tragedy. Be honest NF, you are thrilled that these guys are dead so you can try to exploit it by denouncing President Obama. Meanwhile you continue to make excuses for GWB's failures that have led to 10,000 dead Americans.
News Flash
5:54 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
A U.S. ambassador is missing and his diplomatic team is desperately fighting off terrorist attacks. Our commander-in-chief and his national-security team in Washington are listening to the phone calls from the Americans under attack and watching real-time video from a drone circling overhead. Yet the U.S. military sends no aid. Why?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331125/first-aid-living-bing-west
News Flash
9:15 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Carter blasts Obama on Mideast peace
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/carter-blasts-obama-on-mideast-peace-139302.html?hp=r6
News Flash
9:35 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Intelligence Expert: ‘Iranians Don’t Believe Obama’
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-presidential-debate-talks/2012/10/23/id/461027
News Flash
11:01 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Libya and Lies
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/23/libya_and_lies_115873.html
News Flash
11:20 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
US Foreign Debt Now $47,495 Per Household-Dangerous
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-governments-foreign-debt-now-47495-household
News Flash
11:59 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Election about Economy-Romney Wins.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2012/10/23/in-an-election-about-the-economy-obamas-foreign-policy-debate-victory-was-pyrrhic/
News Flash
12:32 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Obama Misled Himself on Libya
http://nation.foxnews.com/barack-obama/2012/10/22/romney-camp-obama-misled-himself-libya
News Flash
2:00 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Obama Tried to Block Sanctions on Iran-Still not fully enforcing them.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ros-lehtinen-obama-iran-sanctions/2012/10/23/id/461024
News Flash
11:28 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Clinton asked for more security in Benghazi, Obama said no
http://www.examiner.com/article/clinton-asked-for-more-security-benghazi-obama-said-no
Bill Brown
12:15 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Fox News released this story this morning: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/
News Flash
12:21 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
They asked for help 3 times and were denied.
News Flash
1:55 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Father of Slain SEAL: Who Made the Decision Not to Save My Son?
On meeting Obama: “Could not look me in the eye … like shaking hands with a dead fish.”
Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, who was killed in the 9/11 terrorist attack at the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, reveals details of meeting Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton at the publically broadcast memorial service for the slain Americans at Andrews Air Force Base only days after the attack. And, in a recent radio appearance, Woods publicly questions who made the call not to send in back-up forces to possibly save his son’s life, as well as the three other Americans killed in Benghazi (which includes the American ambassador to Libya).
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/father-slain-seal-who-made-decision-not-save-my-son_657782.html
Oedipus
2:11 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
As if you give a crap about any of the dead. You're happy they died so you could criticize Obama. Please stop your gleeful dancing on the graves of these fine young men.
Hilltopper
3:16 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Oedipus,
If News Flash sincerely gave a cr*p about any of the dead he would of expressed it better by saying that four dead Americans was not an optimal outcome in a bump in the road like Benghazi--and then go back to finding videos on YouTube---
ForThePeople
3:20 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Soundbites, hilltop. Did you even watch the interview? I did. Just like newsflash, you are exploiting dead Americans just to criticize the president and push your agenda. Disgusting.
salemvoter
3:29 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
It doesn't matter what News Flash or any of us in this forum think about the tragic deaths in Libya. What does matter is how the administration thinks about the deaths and the actions they have taken to safeguard diplomats and American citizens worldwide.
It is becoming obvious that the administartion did not give a cr*p about the security of its diplomats in Libya and considers their deaths as "bumps in the road" on the way to reelection.
Hilltopper
3:38 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
FTP,
Soundbites of what was said at the time, by an individual who chose those words to describe the deaths and downplay the situation. Since when can Presidents not be crticized? Since when can individual not have an opinion and not be free to express it just because you or others don't agree with it? Now when that happens, then it can be called disgusting.
Tim Keltner
12:14 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/juan-williams/263219-opinion-debunking-the-gops-false-narratives-about-the-benghazi-attack