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Secession Movement Comes to NH

Granite Staters start petition drive to request President Obama for peaceful right to leave the union.

 

Across the country, in more than 20 states, signatures are being gathered requesting President Barack Obama allow states to consider seceding from the union, according to press reports over the weekend.

The states, ranging from blue states like New York and New Jersey, to some of the reddest of the red, in North Dakota and Texas, must collect 25,000 signatures within 30 days to receive an official response from the White House. Texas already has more than 25,000, according to reports. 

On Nov. 11, the movement officially came to New Hampshire.

Free State Project supporter Menno Troyer posted a call on Nov. 12 to “mobilize New Hampshire” on Facebook requesting others sign an online petition to join the national movement. The post quickly spread around the site with a number of liberty Republicans and other activists signing onto the movement.

After 150 people have pledged to sign the petition, the drive will be posted on the whitehouse.gov website.

Troyer said he was inspired to start the drive because he does not "like the way the U.S. is going, with regard to personal freedom.” He said there was “a long list of grievances” but admitted that he didn’t want to antagonize the Obama Administration.

Troyer said unlike the national movement, he wasn’t starting New Hampshire’s petition because he was “upset Romney didn’t win.” Between the two, he said, “I slightly prefer Obama.” Troyer said it was more about timing.

“I did this because the moment is right,” he said, “with all those other petitions being filed, and NH did not yet have a petition to secede that was publicly visible at whitehouse.gov.”

Troyer hopes that the Obama Administration will take the request seriously and, at the same time, will grant the states “a peaceful withdrawal,” adding that he feared the military or some other form of force would be used in response to the request, potentially causing another civil war.

Ideally, Troyer would like to see New Hampshire be its own country although he said that a Northern New England combination nation “would be pretty cool, too.”

“One thing I envision,” he said, “if New Hampshire were its own country, given the pro-liberty political climate here, is that it would quickly become the Hong Kong of the North.”

However, he admitted it would be “a tall order” to get 25,000 signatures in 30 days in New Hampshire, because it’s such a small state. A few hours after posting the petition drive, 44 others signed up to assist with seven saying “maybe” to the proposal.

And if the federal government decides not to allow states to secede and things become worse? Troyer has a plan – move to a country where the government is smaller and tends to leave people alone, with far less police control.

“I am eyeing several different options in Latin American countries,” he said. 

The Free State Project in 2003 named New Hampshire as its destination state, asking supporters to begin the migration of 20,000 "pro-liberty activists" to move here in pursuit of "liberty in our lifetime." The group's annual convention, the 2013 New Hampsnire Liberty Forum, is scheduled for Feb. 21-24 at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Nashua.

Related Topics: Free staters and secession

Mike Healey

8:29 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

This is how we repay all those men and women who died to save the union, have a bunch of hipsters disassemble the country because......because why exactly?

No one hates America like secessionists.

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Charles Hatch

8:34 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

What is more offensive tea party,Fox News,Free Staters,
secessionist ... So much for honoring veterans.
Look if you don't like it here.... Move !

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Atlant Schmidt

8:58 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Mississippi awaits the secessionists.

And if that's not radical enough for them (still too much "nanny state"), maybe Somalia will do?

Alternatively, these folks could seek help with their obvious mental problems (including their disconnect from reality). Heck, under Obamacare, they may even be able to get financial help from the government!

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Marcus C

9:35 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Divide and conquer. If the united states were to be divided by this we will surely be conquered in the near future. Iran, China, Norrh Korea and even the USSR would take advantage of it.

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Nikki Arguin

5:28 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

How patriotic is this? Remember when we were called unpatriotic when we just SAID something against Bush? I just don't get it.

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Herb Stiles

9:27 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Secessionists, Free Staters are all fringe groups and are at 9.8 on the Wacko Scale.

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Mike Healey

10:41 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

This petition already has over 8,500 signatures.
Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

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Atlant Schmidt

10:59 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

As I said elsewhere, the First Amendment guarantees folks' right to make statements like those made in the petition.

If this sort of statement were actionable, many Confederate, err, Republican politicians would be in prison instead of in Congress and our State Houses.

Keith Carlsen

5:21 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

I do not support this effort. Nevertheless, there is now at least 1 petition for every state. Here is the New Hampshire petition with several thousand signers.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/grant-state-new-hampshire-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/hdTc6HPn

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Atlant Schmidt

12:20 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012

And look! A few of those signatures are even from NH residents! A*VERY* few, but a few none-the-less.

It'd be interesting to cross-tabulate the signatures and see how many folks have signed *EVERY* petition.

It'd also be interesting to know how many of the folks who signed New Hampshire's petition just want to 1) get rid of our first-in-the-nation Primary Election or 2) just get rid of us period! You know, revenge for years of Meldrim Thompson and the Manchester Union Liar?

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C Barry

1:03 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012

Just like those who voted for Obama last week, some of them are even from NH.

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Mellisa S.

6:11 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Typical. People who don't live in NH driving the decision-making for those of us who do. Priceless.

Mike Healey

1:42 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012

Local nutbag Michael F. Kenney wrote in his opinion piece "The Next Civil War?"
"During the conflict Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 and freed the slaves.""Wouldn’t it be ironic that 150 years later, the first African-American president destroyed the union by serial secessions? That’s gratitude for y’all!"
http://nashua.patch.com/blog_posts/the-next-civil-war#comments

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s. savoy

8:55 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

All the name calling by Healy, a no class punk. Every day you do it to everybody. You are a Jerk Healy a big jerk.

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Mike Healey

8:57 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Waaaa! "your a big Jerk" Waaaa!

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Mike Healey

9:02 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Do you agree with Micheal Kenney that President Barack Obama doesn't show enough "gratitude" for Lincoln freeing the slaves, S.?

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Mike Healey

9:03 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

If you want to pretend your offended by name calling, you might want to avoid name calling yourself.

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s. savoy

9:03 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Have some class once in a while. Are you the face of the Nashua Committee for Dopes and the Unintelligent. Give the rest of the Patch Community a break.

Never mind this site is beyond redemption. Thanks democrats

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Mike Healey

9:07 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Maybe you should try to convince your right wing buddies to class it up.
I only give back what your buddies put out.

Beau Howard

10:21 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

If you really love freedom, you support the secessionist movement. Fact of the matter is, it is caused by the overabundance of corruption found on both sides of the political spectrum in Washington. Nobody likes the federal government, but their absolute refusal to perform simple actions such as auditing the federal reserve, cancelling obamacare, ending the endless "war on terror," among other absolute lack of caring what the people of this country want is what's fueling this drive.

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Mellisa S.

6:09 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

No if I really love freedom I will be proud every single day of my life that was born in and will live all my days in the UNITED States of America. This movement reminds me of watching my kids and their friends playing together when they were little. "You don't want to play the game just like I told you then I'm gonna take my toys and go home". Grow up.

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Bob Davidson

7:37 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Looks like a lot of people on this forum prefer their chains. No doubt they would have been Loyalists during the Revolutionary War. Regardless, New Hampshire was created by secession and hopefully will recreate itself in like manner. Live Free or Die!

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Mike Healey

8:33 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

What a burden it is to live in America........moron.

Bob Samson

9:10 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Maybe this Healy guy should get a real job.

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Mike Healey

9:25 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Maybe Bob Samson should get spelling lessons.

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Bob Davidson

9:30 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Actually, his terse reply is ambiguous. I'll take it that he's simply making a statement of how difficult it is for him to make ends meet in light of the current economic crisis, and then he signed his nickname.

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Mike Healey

9:36 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

You went a long way for that joke Bob. Maybe you could have included the orginal post in quotations:
I'll take it that he's simply making a statement of how difficult it is for him to make ends meet in light of the current economic crisis
"What a burden it is to live in America" and then he signed his nickname "moron".
Funny though.

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