The new Legislature has repeated their impressive performance of the first week in January.
Amazing! On Jan. 9, the Joint Legislative Committee on the Capital Budget approved a request to use a tiny fraction of New Hampshire’s “toll credits” (a kind of federal specie or chit) to match Federal grants that will pay for the study of passenger rail service for the central corridor to Concord. Whew; I know, a little background may be in order.
New Hampshire has been trying to recreate rail service from Concord to Boston for several years. The New Hampshire Rail Transit Authority was created in 2007 by the Legislature to accomplish this complex task. As part of the effort, the Authority obtained two federal grants, totaling $4.1 million, to be used to pay for a study of the proposed project. The study would look at the advisability of including the proposed passenger rail service in New Hampshire’s transportation infrastructure. Among other things, it would study alternatives to rail, like busses, or more cars.
The previous legislature (or at least the conservative majority thereof) made killing passenger rail a top priority on their political agenda. Sadly, they tried to do away with the Rail Authority, which had worked for four years without costing the taxpayers a penny. That effort failed. Then they set about defeating the effort to use the federal grants to make the study. That effort succeeded in the Executive Council. But then there was an election, and we have a new council, the majority of which supports passenger rail for New Hampshire. And now we have a House and a Senate, both of which have voted to let the study go forward. That is very good news for the majority of citizens in our state who want to at least find out if passenger rail service from Concord to Boston might be at least as successful as the Downeaster, which increases its ridership every year.
Does this mean that trains will soon be running? No, it means a contractor chosen by DOT will conduct a professional study of the rail proposal, and report back. Some of the people who voted to let the toll credits be used expect that the study will come out against the project. That may happen. But for the time being, a rational process has returned to the Statehouse, a process that may allow us to choose “rail or no” on the foundation of informed thought, rather than partisan presumption.
ForThePeople
11:54 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Is there any way to show support for the project?
steve forte
12:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Sure donate YOUR money
Atlant Schmidt
12:31 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Write to the Executive Council (which will eventually be involved in approving the contract for the study).
One Man Wolf Pack
1:24 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
"the foundation of informed thought" At one time there was rail from Boston all the way up to Canada. It went right through the mountains and brought people to places like Fayban's Station, Manchester, Derry, Salem, Windham and even Nashua. It was so wildly popular and profitable that it is now all but extinct. Be it federal, state or local, taxpayer money should not be spent on this proven to be a failure item.
One Man Wolf Pack
1:27 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Is this more important than Schools, Teachers and Red-Tagged bridges and roads? Or is this really a want to have instead of a dire need Atlant?
Reality Geezer
4:42 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
It would be great to be able to commute to Boston for higher wages and also cut road traffic at the same time. The Noreaster shows good profits from Portland to Boston and is constantly expanding. Rail was profitable 100 years ago and rail freight today shows big profits--ask W Buffet..................
steve forte
6:13 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Ya sure about that?
The Downeaster is managed by the Northern New England Passenger Rail Authority and operated by Amtrak.[16] As of December 2007, operating the Downeaster costs $13.5 million per year, of which $6 million is covered by fares paid by passengers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downeaster
Proud Conservative
5:51 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Amtrak was supposed to be profitable within one year of its startup. It has never even broken even, let alone made a profit. If rail was an economical method of passenger travel, private industry would be laying tracks all over the place.
Reality Geezer
8:28 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Everyone in the world expects their government to keep public transportation operating--especially rail. Ticket sales do not have anything to do with freight profits and efficiency. If it were up to some people in NH we would be still using the horse and wagon with tolls and paying no taxes to the government................
Jane
6:18 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
I whole-heartedly support public transportation and I hope this rail will reduce the number of individuals driving recklessly up and down I93, each using a gallon of gas/ foreign oil per each 10 to 30 miles that they drive. I hope the study includes some way of accepting comments from residents both opposing and advocating for the rail. Subways, metros, streetcars and buses are definitely the way to commute, unless you're fortunate enough to be within walking/biking distance of your job.
For those concerned about spending your gas tax money on a service that you will not use, I don't understand why you are not contacting your legislators to ask for introduction of a bill that would institute a train-rider tax, to be paid for by each passenger, and transferred to the state to help cover the costs of building and maintaining the rail system? I might be missing something, but I don't see where it is carved in stone that it is specifically and only the gasoline/diesel fuel tax that willl support this project.
Seamus Carty
5:43 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
"For those concerned about spending your gas tax money on a service that you will not use, I don't understand why you are not contacting your legislators to ask for introduction of a bill that would institute a train-rider tax, to be paid for by each passenger, and transferred to the state to help cover the costs of building and maintaining the rail system?"
A train rider tax? Why not just have the fare reflect the cost of the service...
Jane
5:53 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Sure, I'm just a layperson so I don't know how these things work; I was just trying to imagine how the customer of rail service could pay both the company providing the service AND the state and/or federal government, which must be funding a big part of something as everyone is so upset about the waste of their tax money. What is the percentage of the gas/deisel tax to be allocated to the rail service, and what is the other tax money that we are wasting, is it our federal income tax? What unit of the federal government is responsible for whichever of your tax money is used for the project?
Joe
10:45 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
I'm all for trains when the day comes that ticket sales support the cost of running the service; however, I doubt that riders will be willing to pay the price. It ain't gonna be cheap folks!
steve forte
7:16 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Of cours they will not be willing to. The whole reason they want it is to get someone else to pay for their ride to work.
Gntp NH
1:04 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Yeah! Let's find a way to ship more of us into Boston, instead of finding ways to bring jobs TO New Hampshire. Bass-Ackwards, as usual, Democrats...
Ishouldknow
11:01 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
It would be a 2 way street. Companies are always looking for ways to move their IT and support jobs out of expensive Boston buildings. Train service to Salem would allow those jobs to move up here.
Peter Walker
11:26 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Agreed. After Hassan's current term concludes in two years Democrats will have held the governorship for 16 of the last 18 years. When is generating new jobs in New Hampshire going to start becoming a priority around here!
This rail proposal's operating costs would be paid for in part by special property tax assessments on homes and business in towns close to the line in addition to the taxes you already are paying. Many are already stretched to the limit with current levels of property taxation. This is completely uneconomical to operate. Just add more buses if more capacity is needed. The bus line service currently in place works well.
Reggie
9:12 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
What the heck has Nashua ever done for the rest of the State. Nothing.
Reggie
9:35 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Nashua gets the benefits. The rest of the state picks up the tab. You have got to be kidding.
Atlant Schmidt
8:44 am on Monday, January 14, 2013
Done properly, the train would reach Nashua, Merrimack/Bedford, Manchester, and Concord.
Robert B Butts
10:11 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The value of a train cannot be measured on ticket sales alone. There are direct impacts like increased tax revenue due to higher property values and new businesses. There's indirect stuff like quality of life. It's more complicated than most of the people posting comments here appear to be able to handle.
Robert B Butts
10:44 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The property values lowering argument seems suspect, News Flash. It stands to reason that if a Boston commute by rail were possible from a location, demand would increase and the property value would go up. If there reverse is the case as you assert, hopefully the committee will figure that out and advise against rail.
Proud Conservative
2:54 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Yeah, nothing like a noisy train rumbling through your neighborhood to boost property values. eh? Not to mention making it much easier for the Boston drug dealers to access the area. Yeah, a train would brink all kinds of great things!
Robert B Butts
8:54 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The tracks that this would follow have been around longer than any of us. We already have freight train noise, and I suspect most of us near the tracks would welcome the addition of passenger service.
As to the point about drug dealers using the train, there's no advantage to that group over existing bus service, so it's not even worth mentioning.
It's fairly obvious that you decided that you're against trains first, then just posted the first thing that came to your mind without even thinking it through.
Atlant Schmidt
8:47 am on Monday, January 14, 2013
Proud Conservative:
> Yeah, nothing like a noisy train rumbling through your neighborhood
> to boost property values. eh?
Strangely enough, in *THE REAL WORLD*, the Massachusetts cities and towns nearest the "T" often command the highest property values. Andover, Newton, Wellesley, and the like don't seem to suffer from presence of fast, rapid access to Boston.
Ishouldknow
11:03 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Anyone who actually commutes to Boston will tell you they would switch to train service in a New York minute. And companies between here and there would be more opening to moving here. Train service from Salem to Boston is a no brainer.
steve forte
11:19 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Yes they would hop the train in a minute. But would they if the price of the ticket had to cover the cost of the train?
And again , if companies moved jobs here we would not need the train as the people are already here.
Peter Hoe Burling
11:27 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
I'd like to say thanks to all of you who've taken the time to comment on the rail study.
It's good to know people are paying attention. I would just like to mention that rail should be evaluated as one part of a transport system, that will grow to serve the rest of New England. What will it cost us if we're not part of that system?
Peter Bresciano
8:36 am on Monday, January 14, 2013
Rail, why not jump back in history 100 years. It must be one of those "sustainable" things. Where's the U.N. when you need them? Oh, adding more pages to Agenda 21.
Atlant Schmidt
8:51 am on Monday, January 14, 2013
> Rail, why not jump back in history 100 years
This must explain why the Chinese are building the world's largest *HIGH-SPEED RAIL NETWORK*, ehh? The fact that they want to leap back 100 years?
salemvoter
5:57 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Atlant-ever been to China an dseen one of their construction projects? I doubt you have. I visit China on business 3-4 times a year. I go to the industrial cities, notthe touristy places you see in the brochures. I've witnessed the construction projects and shoddy workmanship. And, when they build a road, or reservoir, power plant or rail line they line up the bulldozers and go from point A to point B. Your farm or apartment in the way....too bad....move, or get run over. Endangered species in the way.....they eat it. Is that what you want the US to do to compete?
Steve From NH
9:16 am on Monday, January 14, 2013
I don't commute to Boston or anywhere else outside of Bedford, but my taxes are used to build a road that goes there. It's not just railroads that are subsidized by taxpayers.
steve forte
3:10 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
And they shouldn't be. Roads and bridges should be 100% funded thru fuel taxes.
Brian Hayek Hynes
9:43 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
What about the tolls?
steve forte
7:48 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Toll roads are ineligable for federal hwy funds. We do pay a fed fuel tax, no reason to chase that money away and then replace it with another cost on ourselves.
Mike Healey
8:31 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Only Interstate highways are prohibited from adding new tolls when receiving federal funds.
steve forte
8:39 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Are ya sure ? When they built the new road from everett tnpk to the airport they could not put a toll behind it or it would not qualify for federal funds. That road is south of the interstate.
Mike Healey
10:32 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
That was the excuse they used, but it is not based in fact. That law states that you cannot ADD a toll to a INTERSTATE road if you received federal funds to build it. Rt 3 is not part of the Interstate system.
Under 23 U.S.C. 129, Federal participation is allowed in the following five types of toll activities:
Initial construction (except on the Interstate System) of toll highways, bridges, and tunnels, including the approaches to these facilities;
Reconstructing, resurfacing, restoring, and rehabilitating of any existing toll facility;
Reconstruction or replacement of free bridges or tunnels and conversion to toll facilities;
Reconstruction of a free Federal-aid highway (except on the Interstate system) and conversion to a toll facility; and
Preliminary studies to determine the feasibility of the above toll construction activities.
http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/tolling_pricing/toll_agreements.htm